Comments on: F4V is Retarded http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/ This is the blog of Brooks Andrus. Here, at irregular intervals, you may find digital noise centered around the activities of an early 21st century technologist. I work for TechSmith Corporation, but this web space and the views found on it are entirely my own. Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:33:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: FLV players http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49894 FLV players Thu, 28 May 2009 08:23:32 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49894 Thank you for given great post on this topic... Thank you for given great post on this topic…

]]> By: イナヅマtvログ » Adobe XMP データの不思議 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49695 イナヅマtvログ » Adobe XMP データの不思議 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:36:21 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49695 [...] F4V is Retarded 中身はH.264なのに拡張子が違うからQuickTime Playerで再生出来ないヨ。 でも拡張子を.mp4にすると再生できるってさ。 [...] [...] F4V is Retarded 中身はH.264なのに拡張子が違うからQuickTime Playerで再生出来ないヨ。 でも拡張子を.mp4にすると再生できるってさ。 [...]

]]> By: James http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49375 James Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:07:39 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49375 Dougal- I'm with you, I was unaware they anyone even used quicktime player to watch anything. Not to mention its gawd awful slow. VLC is really the way to go. I run vlc on windows and nix with no issues and it play's everything I throw at it. The new adobe media player doesn't impress me either. Seems unstable on windows anyway. I agree f4v has some issues but the end result is a sexy small file with great quality that can be played in almost any flash player. Dougal- I’m with you, I was unaware they anyone even used quicktime player to watch anything. Not to mention its gawd awful slow. VLC is really the way to go. I run vlc on windows and nix with no issues and it play’s everything I throw at it. The new adobe media player doesn’t impress me either. Seems unstable on windows anyway.

I agree f4v has some issues but the end result is a sexy small file with great quality that can be played in almost any flash player.

]]> By: Brooks http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49354 Brooks Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:40:03 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49354 @Ryan - Yep, Jing is simple to use, easily viewable on almost any platform, but the videos it creates fail the interoperability test. There are several reasons for this that: Free. No licensing costs. The desire to make Jing content viewable by everyone, regardless of platform. Realtime transcoding. There's not a lot of video formats out there that meet those criteria. That said, keep your eye on the Jing project as we enter the new year. I think you'll be pretty happy with some of the things that are in the works. ;-) By the way, great post on your blog about the DRM mess and Blu-ray--I share the same frustration. ;-) @Ryan – Yep, Jing is simple to use, easily viewable on almost any platform, but the videos it creates fail the interoperability test. There are several reasons for this that:

Free. No licensing costs.
The desire to make Jing content viewable by everyone, regardless of platform.
Realtime transcoding.

There’s not a lot of video formats out there that meet those criteria.

That said, keep your eye on the Jing project as we enter the new year. I think you’ll be pretty happy with some of the things that are in the works. ;-)

By the way, great post on your blog about the DRM mess and Blu-ray–I share the same frustration. ;-)

]]> By: Ryan http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49346 Ryan Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:37:54 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49346 Brooks, although not a perfect analogy, I kinda feel the same way about Jing. I was really disappointed that Jing only outputs a .swf--from which I cannot extract a video file. I have tried every tool I know of. Why can't Jing output other formats??? I have read the FAQ and blog and the rationalization by Jing for use of SWF. Brooks, although not a perfect analogy, I kinda feel the same way about Jing. I was really disappointed that Jing only outputs a .swf–from which I cannot extract a video file. I have tried every tool I know of. Why can’t Jing output other formats??? I have read the FAQ and blog and the rationalization by Jing for use of SWF.

]]> By: Brooks http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49279 Brooks Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:01:13 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49279 @Brian - two things: 1) I don't believe that cue points are supported in the f4v format (yes, the docs make it sound like it, but if you try to insert cue points with the tooling they don't show up if you go to f4v, and 2) even if cue points worked, changing the extension for the sake of a proprietary event format seems to run counter to the principles of adopting the MPEG4 standard, or portions thereof. @Brian – two things: 1) I don’t believe that cue points are supported in the f4v format (yes, the docs make it sound like it, but if you try to insert cue points with the tooling they don’t show up if you go to f4v, and 2) even if cue points worked, changing the extension for the sake of a proprietary event format seems to run counter to the principles of adopting the MPEG4 standard, or portions thereof.

]]> By: Bobby http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49277 Bobby Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:14:49 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49277 You already are in the "Adobe ecosystem" when you encoded it from Premiere, After Effects, etc into F4V. You can check the dimensions using Bridge. You already are in the “Adobe ecosystem” when you encoded it from Premiere, After Effects, etc into F4V. You can check the dimensions using Bridge.

]]> By: Bobby http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49276 Bobby Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:09:02 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49276 Apple did the same with m4v that opens with itunes. Apple did the same with m4v that opens with itunes.

]]> By: Dougal http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49274 Dougal Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:28:42 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49274 One problem with QuickTime: If you do H.264 encoding using x264 with advanced settings (for instance something like 4 reference and 4 b-frames which is useful for Anime or other stuff like lossless) you'll notice that QuickTime likes to crash when playing these files. QuickTime has very limited support for H.264. I can't remember when I last encoded a file which didn't make it crash. Watch some of the feedback on doom9.org about this, it's entertaining. I suggest to use VLC if you need quick access to with & height. It's a much better video player anyway and it does not care about file extensions. One problem with QuickTime: If you do H.264 encoding using x264 with advanced settings (for instance something like 4 reference and 4 b-frames which is useful for Anime or other stuff like lossless) you’ll notice that QuickTime likes to crash when playing these files. QuickTime has very limited support for H.264. I can’t remember when I last encoded a file which didn’t make it crash. Watch some of the feedback on doom9.org about this, it’s entertaining.

I suggest to use VLC if you need quick access to with & height. It’s a much better video player anyway and it does not care about file extensions.

]]> By: Brian Lesser http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/12/07/f4v-is-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-49272 Brian Lesser Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:18:54 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/?p=619#comment-49272 I think they needed this option in order to provide the option of embedding cue points and other rmi calls within the file. I think they needed this option in order to provide the option of embedding cue points and other rmi calls within the file.

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