Comments on: The Silver Tongue and Lifeless Corpse of Microsoft Silverlight http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/ This is the blog of Brooks Andrus. Here, at irregular intervals, you may find digital noise centered around the activities of an early 21st century technologist. I work for TechSmith Corporation, but this web space and the views found on it are entirely my own. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:12:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Billigflug http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-48418 Billigflug Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:09 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-48418 Silverlight presentations look awesome in my eyes and it´s lot of fun to tinker around with it, but as known form Microsoft products it´s a "permanently beta-version". So on the one hand I agree to advertboy (but not with his language in such a free flowing organic manner:)), on the other Silverlight has still a long way to go. I wouldn´t expect it to be stable as well:) Silverlight presentations look awesome in my eyes and it´s lot of fun to tinker around with it, but as known form Microsoft products it´s a “permanently beta-version”. So on the one hand I agree to advertboy (but not with his language in such a free flowing organic manner:)), on the other Silverlight has still a long way to go. I wouldn´t expect it to be stable as well:)

]]> By: mj http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40725 mj Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:16:57 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40725 I am a media designer,I don't know any MS products and how they can help me to achieve my idea. I am a media designer,I don’t know any MS products and how they can help me to achieve my idea.

]]> By: advertboy http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40167 advertboy Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:15:52 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40167 It will only take a couple of killer apps to hit a critical mass especially if they were line of business apps (like integration within microsoft office). You say you've evaluated it technically YET you didnt give any specific points on parts of it's technology that you don't like. That would of been a better form of attack. The technology that is in Silverlight is amazing, the whole experience for a developer building a silverlight application is amazing too. Adobe can do alot to learn from the microsoft development environment. There's a reason why MS .net and visual studio is used prevalently in the business world (something adobe flash and flex is finding difficult).. So please pick some points in the silverlight technology that makes you hate it and we can debate them here! Otherwise be prepared for personal attacks! It will only take a couple of killer apps to hit a critical mass especially if they were line of business apps (like integration within microsoft office).

You say you’ve evaluated it technically YET you didnt give any specific points on parts of it’s technology that you don’t like. That would of been a better form of attack. The technology that is in Silverlight is amazing, the whole experience for a developer building a silverlight application is amazing too. Adobe can do alot to learn from the microsoft development environment. There’s a reason why MS .net and visual studio is used prevalently in the business world (something adobe flash and flex is finding difficult)..

So please pick some points in the silverlight technology that makes you hate it and we can debate them here! Otherwise be prepared for personal attacks!

]]> By: Brooks http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40157 Brooks Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:01:50 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40157 @advertboy I don't think there's a need for ad hominem attacks. If you'd like to challenge the facts as presented I would certainly welcome it. I believe my major thrust was that ubiquity, if it happens, won't occur overnight--you actually seem to agree with this point. @advertboy

I don’t think there’s a need for ad hominem attacks. If you’d like to challenge the facts as presented I would certainly welcome it. I believe my major thrust was that ubiquity, if it happens, won’t occur overnight–you actually seem to agree with this point.

]]> By: advertboy http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40140 advertboy Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:16:54 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40140 You speak with such malice it's clear that even if Silverlight did deliver in what it promised then you would still find something wrong with it. Microsoft and Silverlight are in it for the long run and trying to compare silverlight version 1 with flash version 9 is a joke. I have spent the last decade building windows applications on microsoft technologies. Silverlight just makes sense to me, I can create amazing experiences that were not previously possible. At the end of the day i can build amazing applications, more amazing then what i can currently. Come speak to me in 2 years time when silverlight and wpf is just as pervasive as .net forms and asp.net web forms. Time is all they need.... You speak with such malice it’s clear that even if Silverlight did deliver in what it promised then you would still find something wrong with it.

Microsoft and Silverlight are in it for the long run and trying to compare silverlight version 1 with flash version 9 is a joke.

I have spent the last decade building windows applications on microsoft technologies. Silverlight just makes sense to me, I can create amazing experiences that were not previously possible. At the end of the day i can build amazing applications, more amazing then what i can currently.

Come speak to me in 2 years time when silverlight and wpf is just as pervasive as .net forms and asp.net web forms.

Time is all they need….

]]> By: Brooks http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40108 Brooks Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:48:12 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40108 ;-) It probably wouldn't sting so much if it wasn't true. ;-) It probably wouldn’t sting so much if it wasn’t true.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40106 Aaron Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:12:02 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40106 But seriously, Brooks, don't hold it all inside. Let me know what you really think of Microsoft media platform(s)... But seriously, Brooks, don’t hold it all inside. Let me know what you really think of Microsoft media platform(s)…

]]> By: Drivers Gratis Blog » Blog Archive » The Silver Tongue and Lifeless Corpse of Microsoft Silverlight http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40095 Drivers Gratis Blog » Blog Archive » The Silver Tongue and Lifeless Corpse of Microsoft Silverlight Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:56:44 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40095 [...] Porfie: [...] [...] Porfie: [...]

]]> By: Brooks http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40092 Brooks Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:41:43 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40092 @Matt The funny thing is watching the MS folks do their pitch. Often they lack a fundamental understanding of the space, but when they do you can see them cringing; their body language suggests they don't believe a word they are saying. When pressed they often revert to off the record comments that indicate Silverlight 1.0 isn't ready for prime time--just wait for 2.0, or it's not the ideal choice for consumer front ends at this time. ...glad I'm not the only one suffering through pitch after pitch. @Matt

The funny thing is watching the MS folks do their pitch. Often they lack a fundamental understanding of the space, but when they do you can see them cringing; their body language suggests they don’t believe a word they are saying. When pressed they often revert to off the record comments that indicate Silverlight 1.0 isn’t ready for prime time–just wait for 2.0, or it’s not the ideal choice for consumer front ends at this time.

…glad I’m not the only one suffering through pitch after pitch.

]]> By: Brooks http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40091 Brooks Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:33:35 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40091 Interesting point Travis. I've read some analysis on the BluRay / HDDVD conflict which suggested that Apple, despite officially backing BluRay, was not an active participant in the fight because of their belief that optical disc distribution is a bit of an anachronism. Apple plans on delivering h.264 through the cloud rather than the press. There's lots of interesting activity in this space, that's for sure. Interesting point Travis. I’ve read some analysis on the BluRay / HDDVD conflict which suggested that Apple, despite officially backing BluRay, was not an active participant in the fight because of their belief that optical disc distribution is a bit of an anachronism. Apple plans on delivering h.264 through the cloud rather than the press. There’s lots of interesting activity in this space, that’s for sure.

]]> By: Matt http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40078 Matt Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:18:41 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40078 Nice to hear more from people whom have enjoyed the Microsoft pitch and are questioning the facts that are presented as opposed to just being spoon feed a decision. Thanks for posting this. Nice to hear more from people whom have enjoyed the Microsoft pitch and are questioning the facts that are presented as opposed to just being spoon feed a decision. Thanks for posting this.

]]> By: Travis Stoliker http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40071 Travis Stoliker Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:58:38 +0000 http://www.brooksandrus.com/blog/2008/02/22/the-silver-tongue-and-lifeless-corpse-of-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-40071 Great post Brooks. I completely agree that Flash's penetration allowed the success of Youtube. Something I find interesting is how lots of people are saying that BluRay won the format war because HDDVD is looking bad. But I think that Flash secretly won the battle when they released Flash HD h264. Why worry about physical media anymore when I can stream HD cheaply over the interwebs? Travis Great post Brooks. I completely agree that Flash’s penetration allowed the success of Youtube.

Something I find interesting is how lots of people are saying that BluRay won the format war because HDDVD is looking bad. But I think that Flash secretly won the battle when they released Flash HD h264. Why worry about physical media anymore when I can stream HD cheaply over the interwebs?

Travis

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